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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2012.12.25 13:13:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already 
i think this could be useful for many people. When i buy new char i can't be sure i know enough about his past. I don't care TBH.
Let's say you buy character. You don't need his name or appearance, you don't get his assets and ISK (unless previous owner didn't care about it), you don't care about his past. Mostly you want only skillset. So the solution(s):
1) Clear it all, mark character as "bought" and born with date of transfer (this could be visible somewhere but will not interfere with new name and history like it does stupid mark WANTED). So you can live with it as it is your character from start.
If somebody wants to check your character he just checks his birthday and sees: char was bought. No history remains. New owner. You either trust PERSON controlling this char or you don't. It's up to you.
2) Place "pre-buy" history/name/whatever to some "backseat" place like additional button in window "character info". Owner can ignore this area. And when someone too paranoid checks this char he can have access to all information he needs.
I have one character i've bought mostly for jump freighter needs. I really never checked his past. Only seen once in eve-kill that he got caught with some JF somewhere in 0.0. Maybe it is why char was sold? I don't care. Anything what could happen with this char has no connection to me (i mean PERSON).
Once again: we talk here about SPACE PIXELS. Characters don't do s..t itself. Some REAL person does it. Character is asset like ship. Yes for some "RP-like" people characters mean something. But in reality you never can trust any character. You only can trust PERSON controlling this char. And this information isn't a part of char employment history. Add here account sharing (illegal but used very often) and you have even less trust to character. |
March rabbit
Aliastra
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:09:00 -
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Purity wrote:The point is this, Eve Online is different to other games in that it incorporates accountability.
Don't like your name or your corp history or some of your past choices? Tough! In this game, your actions have consequences.
what about bought chars? Do you know WHOLE story of every your bought characters? I don't.
Once i bought supercarrier babysitter with SS -9. He was a pirate for sure. But for me he just was sitting in my supercarrier and assisting me some time with farming ISK in 0.0. Then i sold him to some other person.
So your decision: which consequences this (second) owner should deal with? I have no ideas. 
Do you think it would be good if this new owner of char will be (hunted, griefed, killed, whatever) because of some old actions of this bought char?
Once again: character is a tool like ship. Every character has REAL person controlling him. Past actions of CHARACTER may have no connection to current REAL owner.
Let's say you ganked someone. Then you want to get rid of your ship. You can strip fit from your ship and sell it. Or you make a contract and sell it as is. Or you repackage it and sell to market. No story left. New owner should not deal with consequences for YOUR actions with this ship. Or he should? |
March rabbit
Aliastra
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:31:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:March rabbit wrote:
Once again: we talk here about SPACE PIXELS. Characters don't do s..t itself. Some REAL person does it. Character is asset like ship. Yes for some "RP-like" people characters mean something. But in reality you never can trust any character. You only can trust PERSON controlling this char. And this information isn't a part of char employment history. Add here account sharing (illegal but used very often) and you have even less trust to character.
Scam artist/Corp thief wrote:Oh no, I have scammed and stolen billions and now I can't do anything because people don't trust me  OH!! I know!! I'll just sell myself to.....myself. Then I can wipe out all my wrong doings in one go and start all over again without losing any of my skills etc. etc. ad infinitum. The above scenario was brought to you by people wanting zero consequences for their in-game actions. tl;dr Name change etc. is a bad idea, don't do it CCP.
tell me please one thing: who are you? you are human sitting next to PC and playing game? Or maybe you are character which is only life in game?
You really don't see difference between people (controlling group of characters) and in-game character? |
March rabbit
Aliastra
474
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:54:00 -
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just to clarify it a little.
Let's take a look to RL and cars.
1. Some bad guy (codename: person 1) used car to kill some other guy.
2. Car was restored/cleaned and officially sold to new person (again: ANOTHER PERSON). Let's call him person 2.
3. Some good guys (like the ones who ask here for CONSEQUENCES) come to person 2 and kill him because of "person 1 killed my friend. You have to deal with CONSEQUENCES".
Yes, person 2 can be the same people as person 1 (like someone here wrote already) but car itself can't be the main attribute for search  At least i really hope to never see such methods in RL 
In-game chars are tools like cars in RL. You buy it, use and sell it.
Again: car does not stuff. It is alive person behind this car.
So characters in game don't do stuff. Character does not scam, it can't lie, it doesn't do anything (well, he collects SPs). Anything character do - it is manipulations of real person behind him. You either trust to this hidden owner or you don't. And you never can be sure you talk to the same REAL person twice using character interface.
That's why i don't see it like real problem to "cleaning char". As long as character has mark "was cleaned" you always can decide for yourself: you trust blindly to UNKNOWN OWNER behind this char (and let him scam/awox/etc... you) or you don't trust to him. |
March rabbit
Aliastra
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Posted - 2013.01.14 08:11:00 -
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Mag's wrote:March rabbit wrote:Let's take a look to RL and cars. Let's not. That was an awful comparison to make and completely irrelevant.
next time use "makes no sence".
It takes less amount of letters and means the same "i can't brain today" |
March rabbit
Aliastra
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Posted - 2013.01.14 08:12:00 -
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Kerdrak wrote:Another tab like "employment history" that says "formerly known as"
agree |
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